WOW. So very sad. I have a 12 year old who I am constantly talking to about understanding right & wrong, thinking things through, cause & consequences, good decision and bad decision, if you could do this again what would you do differently? AND - what if you couldn't take that back or fix it -- what then?

Having said that here's the sad but Solomen (split the baby) deal:
(1). Yes he's a child. But, he returned upstairs with the gun and didn't leave it but covered it. If this is true he not only knew what he was doing was wrong but he knew he had to cover the gun to actually be able to do it else the 7yr old may have alerted the mom. DECISION: premeditated, calculated, intent

(2). Yes he knows that firing a gun kills things. He'd been on hunting trips. DECISION: He understood the permanency of his action (even if he can't spell the word). .

(3). Yes his father was negligent and an accessory to murder. I don't agree with giving a child a gun until they are of the age where their actions with the gun can be legally tied to the severity of the accident/crime. If state law allows otherwise - so be it - but then the adult is FULLY responsible for the child's actions resulting until such time that the child can take over. DECISION: The father should be indicted as well for (a) contributing to the delinquency of a minor; (b) failure to secure a dangerous weapon in a household with children; and, (c) accessory to murder for providing the murder weapon.

On another note -- re: the sleeping mother @ 26 yrs and 8 month's pregnant ...

I don't know why or what that's about. But sleeping wasn't her "fault" - it was not attending to the children before school. That is also the "fault" of the Dad -- that is, not attending to the children before school. No 11 year old should have to get anyone but himself "ready" but someone has to see them out. Who got the 7yr old ready? I dunno - but that seems another count for the father (and God rest her soul, the deceased Mom/fiancee). DECISION: Both Dad & Mom/Fiancee are guilty of child neglect.

Unfortunately, rehabilitation has it's limits and a killer turned loose (no matter the age when they killed) is very unsettling to the general public. This is because WE know that you can NEVER tell if the mind will glitch and the child (now adult) will kill again. We'll never really know if s/he contemplated ways to do it better while waiting to get out. That SCARES us. So, to protect us we put those people away for life and throw away the key. DECISION: We cannot take the chance of letting ANY killer free because life is VERY precious. (Afterall, that's why we put killers away or kill them, right?). So, while it's sad -- it was preventable.

The child, if guilty, should get life. But not with adults until he is an adult. He can be treated and counseled up until then. If they think it worked -- GREAT -- put him in minimum security and give hime a responsible role in prison with other inmates and guards. This is now the best "life" he can hope for.

Remember - where you place your feet is where you'll walk. In this case, the man (Dad) responsible for protecting him (child) and "placing" his feet did him a grave disservice by not guiding him away from the steps taken. Nonetheless -- as I said above, the child KNEW where his feet were going, had the opportunity to stop, but chose not to. He chose to cover the gun & go back. He chose his fate then and -- as I told my child -- sometimes you can't take the harm back; what then?

Then -- for him -- is jail for life.

If this child were one of color, no one would be questioning what route of conviction to take. Color and Non color aside, this person will violate the peace and harmony of the lives of someone else. The idea of seeking out any kind of options to allow this person to walk free at 21 with no criminal record is plain ignorant and moronic. This person killed two people and destroyed the live of all that were directly involved. The consequence should not be a second chance at freedom or a clean slate. This person should not be released into the populus of the world until after 40 years of age, at least. What needs to be taken into consideration is the persons exposure to forms of discontent and hatred. Discontent from his natural mother position with the father going on to establish,create and support his family. Children undertand the power of hatred but they don't understand the degrees of hatred and discontent. These individuals are given access to at an early age to hatred and priviledge that leads to these kinds of acts. If in any way and at any time the father or mother,family and close friends of the family facilitated hatred and allowed this person to be exposed to thier ignorace, then in this persons mind at the time this killing took place it seems to be a justified action. In that regard I feel no sympathy for the surviving parents as they have created this monster and are being justified by the judgemnt before them. For the murdered mother to be and child my god bless thier souls......

His father should get life in prison for creating this situation. The boy should be put to sleep to spare him the torment of the tortured life he will be inevitably forced to live.

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"Judge" Pirro - what a bunch of garbage. prosecutors in Pennsylvania, as in many other jurisdictions, are politicians - many of the most base sort. They choose to go after these children for political reasons - not because they care about justice and human decency. There are far too many headlines to be had by trying the youngest child ever as an adult, and the younger the child, the more sensationalistic the case.

These kids were better off under the commonlaw system - when prosecutors not only had to prove intent, but CAPACITY of the child - the prosecutor had to demonstrate that the child knew and understood the nature and consequences of his actions. Under this concept, the murdered fetus would be excluded - there is no way that this 11 year old conceptualized a fetus as a human. Second, if you were prosecuting an adult and he claimed diminised mental capacity based on limited intellectual development to age 11, he likely would be let off with manslaughter.

I'm sorry this woman is dead and I am sorrier still that her fetus died. But SHE was the grownup in that house and should have ensured that shotguns were not laying about under the beds of little boys. SHE had a responsibility to her fetus to live in a safe environment or move out. Did she need a man that much? The fact is, she placed her personal needs for a man above her fetus' need for life. No woman in her right mind would allow her live-in to leave guns around for the kids to shoot whenever a whim grabbed them.

How about this - "judge" - if some stranger had been shot by that kid, and you were the attorney to the stranger's family, wouldn't you have pushed for criminal charges against Dad AND "Mom" for negligent homicide on the theory that leaving a loaded rifle under an 11 year old's bed was gross negligence and inexcusable conduct? Wouldn't you then SUE the parents under this same theory? I SURE WOULD!

Want to see justice here AND prevent more of these killings? Make parents completely responsible for the accessibility of weapons in the home. Charge this father and send him to prison for 10 years. Let's start loving kids more than we love free gunplay. Prosecutors ought to be more concerned with preventing future cases.

And let's stop giving political wannabes the power to destroy young kids to enhance a floundering political career. Change the laws to take out the option of "direct certification" until or unless children of direct certification age are given the right to vote, purchase alcohol and drive.

ok, ive read some of the comments people have posted here, and would like to say that people should not be so judgemental, as none of us as humans could possibly in this lifetime know the value behind every word and act of justice and grudge.
to side with the boy for now, i agree with the people who have said that the father should not have given the gun to the child in the first place. children and teenagers are subject to growth and change, and with change comes: fear, confusion, and many new ways of thinking that they are not ready to handle. i know; im a teenager myself.
for those of you who have aged a little more, try to think back to a time during your childhood when you were angry beyond words. remember how you felt that rush of cold and energy? it felt almost like another "being" that goes into you and takes over; you would do anything without thinking about what you were doing. i believe that is because the inhibitions of the average person are weaker when they are a still-growing child, meaning that, with "pressure" on the brain's nerve endings, their inhibitions will "give out", driving them to act on their thoughts/urges. its kind of like with tourrettes, where the patient cannot control what they say.
its all mental; maybe the victim had said or done something that caused this "anger high" inside this boy's mind, causing him to act on his second insticts(in this case, shooting. all those hunting trips with his father took its toll mentally on this boy's mind, burning the trigger into his reflexes, so to speak.).
infact, if the boy's father had gotten him into martial arts, he would have probably used physical force instead of a projectile weapon. if his father had raised him with morals against violence( Christianity, for example.), maybe he would have reacted with no violence or aggression at all. in my view, this whole case is one more reason why children should not be exposed to such violent behaviors like hunting. gun laws for minors should be either more strict or have the age to own a firearm to be higher. and even more, this case shows that, while parents are not perfect, they should be held accountable, to some degree, for the actions of their child.

This is no child. He gave up that right when he shot that woman and her un-born child. CHILDREN don't do such a thing. This story disgusts me, and I personally thing he should get the death penalty. Even if he was told to do so, whatever the truth maybe have been, he still did it. He is 12.. imagine what he will be like at 21. They should do the same thing to him as he did to that poor woman and her unborn child.

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Apologies if this is a double post I had some technical difficulties.

I am glad to see there are people commenting that have some common sense.
Just so you know my family has suffered the loss of two members to murder so I know how the victim's mother feels and I know she is hurt, heart broken and will suffer a special kind of hell for the rest of her life.

The first murder happened in 1984 when my sister was kidnapped and murdered by four men who were serial robbers and murderers. The second in 2002 when my 12 year old grandson was tortured and murdered by his father and stepmonster.
Having said that I must say I do not think this child should be tried as an adult. There are several reasons why.

1. Most interesting to me is the stepmonster in my grandson's case only got 15 to life probably out in eight yet they want to put a little boy away for life, how does that make any sense? This woman was in her thirties and knew just what was happening to my grandson. She knew very well what the consequences of her actions to both to my grandson, and for herself would be, death for my grandson and prison for her yet over a four day period she participated.

2. Most children at such a tender ago DO NOT UNDERSTAND AS AN ADULT UNDERSTANDS that these things are real and permanent. They watch TV shows where an actor who dies or is hurt comes back next week, or shows up in another movie. For heavens sake my 13 year old didn't realize that Scotty couldn't beam up Captain Kirk and was very disappointed to learn the technology wasn't real.

3. And I do have to wonder why this child could get at the weapon so easily. Not only because children can be impulsive nor because gun safety should be taught in all homes where there are guns, but because there should never be an unsecured weapon left anywhere a seven year old (the victims daughter)could come in contact with it.
This case is a shame and a tragedy for all concerned.

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No other civilized democracy in the world would allow an eleven year old boy to be tried as an adult. Every expert will state that an eleven year old does not have fully matured reasoning skills to make adult decisions - hence him (and every other eleven year old) being under the care of a guardian. It's pretty disgusting that the Hickville, try 'em and fry 'em Western Pennsylvania district attorney would have the conscience to do something like that. Regardless of the severity of the crime, he is still only eleven. And let us not forget that this boy has not been tried yet, either in the juvenile or adult courts which means he's innocent until proven guilty. So to hear the comments of 'give him life, the chair, etc' is pretty disgusting. Remember this is America - not Communist China. But of course the majority of Americans base their judgments on sensational news headlines without knowing the facts. And with that sentiment they elect radical DA's, who would gas a 4 year old if they could, as long as they had another conviction for their aspiring careers. And the justification of "if we don't try him as an adult then he'll know he can kill again" is pretty frightening too. How about we give life to every person who ever committed any type of crime, then we will send a message. That way of thinking is pretty scary and Orwellian. I never wrote internet comments until now. I just can't believe this. I hope the Supreme Court will make the right decision if the boy is lucky enough to take his case to that level. God help you.

Boy is that child ugly. They should execute such ugly children that commit such crimes.

The child was very wrong,we all know that now lets
put the blame where it really belongs,with the father.the child should be punished,and kept from
the rest of us because with help a lot of help
over a 10 or 12 year period,he could become productive.But his father thats another story he's an adult or suppose to be,with that said throw the book at him,you don't give children guns
you dont give some adults guns.

If you are too young to do adult things like sign contracts and drink alcoholic beverages, how are you suddenly held accountable as an adult if you do something wrong. Granted this was a heinous crime and I feel for the families of the victims but how is killing or incarcerating a CHILD of eleven going to make up for this. No matter how much our society tries to turn our young people into little adults they are not now or will they ever be adults at the age of 13,12 or even 16. It's been scientifically proven that the brains of children and teenagers are very different from those of adults. Outrage is not justice!

All of you people...who are against trying Jordan Brown of Wampum,Pa...should call(the victims mother) her mother and discuss w/her...the reasons you don't think that this 11 yo should be tried as an adult...FOR MURDER...read the facts...IF you let this kid go at 21...thats sending a CLEAR MESSAGE...oh...ok your free to go now....oh and if you DONT like someone...ITS OK TO KILL THEM. TAKE a DEEP look into this kids eyes...go ahead look...they are devoid of emotion...they are black...deep and definately a look that is...not frightened...not remorseful...in fact anything else...but compassionate. I wish they could give the little bastard the same he gave to Cindi Hoak...take the little prick out...and shoot HIM in the back of the head...he made threats that he was going to "pop" her...and her two daughters...THIS IS A MUDERER...I tell you what...let him out...and let him move in next door to you...idiots...until it happens to YOU...then you'll change your stinking toon...morons

I have problems understanding the gift of a firearm from Father to 11-year old child. The case information mentions nothing about some culpability for the Father - he shares some responsibility for the death of his wife.

"... an 11 year old child also has a brain that is not fully developed. The parts of the brain that can problem-solve, anticipate long-term consequences of one's actions, and resist impulsive behavior are NOT developed at age 11... This ... boy is a child in need of serious help, but he should NOT be tried as an adult if he does not have an adult's mental capabilities."

Absolutely correct. It is scientific FACT that the human brain is not fully capable of those functions until around 20 years old. This is why teenage kids do such stupid things - it's not that they think they're immortal or that they won't get caught, it's that they don't think about the consequences AT ALL. I do have a problem with this boy being tried as an adult; adult trail means adult jail, which means this kid is only going to come out worse than he came in? You want to create a real criminal? Send him to jail where he can learn from pros.

if that was my child I would tear his behind up

Does anyone else think this child looks like Michael Meyer's? Even though he is a fictional character...there is a lot of truth in stories. Look how he started out! I see similarities...how bout you?
Try him as an adult!! He knew better...and for all of you that put the bs that he didn't know consequences because he's only 11??!!! Well, he will now! My son is 11 and he sure as hell knows right from wrong! Yes, there are differences in growth between stages of life...but murder? where do you psych's wanna draw the line?? when it's Your mom?

I too see evil in this boy's eyes. He was already accustomed to killing things and apparently killing a human didn't bother him in the slighest. He had no feelings for the other two children, as he so easily killed their mother. It's OBVIOUS he is a little monster who will grow up to be a big a psychopathic killer. THIS is how they all start! WE need to be protected from him-JAIL for life. If you doubt this, go read how many convicted murderers KILLED AGAIN after they got out of prison!

An 11 year old child may have a knowledge of right and wrong and that shooting a gun at someone's head is wrong, BUT an 11 year old child also has a brain that is not fully developed. The parts of the brain that can problem-solve, anticipate long-term consequences of one's actions, and resist impulsive behavior are NOT developed at age 11. This is why we don't allow children to drink alcohol until age 21. This 11 year old boy is a child in need of serious help, but he should NOT be tried as an adult if he does not have an adult's mental capabilities.

You have to remember: It takes a special kind of scum to be a DA. They have no remorse or conscience, just over inflated ego's that want nothing more than to make a name for themselves. Their personal opinion and views are what decides a persons fate, and then they build a case based on the charges they filed. The actual law is secondary, and easily manipulated to suit their needs. That's what they are paid to do.
It got this DA their airtime, that's the point.
Rehabilitation is not the issue. Being in the spotlight is.
Satan has a special place all warmed up and waiting for every one of them.
I feel sorry for this kid. His parents obviously didn't tend to him as needed. And now he is going to be thrown in the garbage. For God's sake, he's only 11 years old. Clearly not old enough to understand the consequences of his actions. And now he will never even understand the morality of life. He will be raised in a prison with all the values taught there.
What do you think he will be like when he is released, compared to now?

How sad is it that people who seem to have average, well some of them anyway, intellegence can be so stupid. This CHILD is 11 years old. He had no business being responsible for getting this womans daughter off to school. He wasn't OLD ENOUGH FOR THE RESPONISBILITY!! But some of you think he is old enough to be held accountable as an adult? I guess in your worlds Bill Clinton didn't have sex with that woman either? If he really had threatened to kill her and her daughters, why just her? And why would the father and step-mother to be not have sought help for him? What were they the REAL adults doing to him to cause him to feel so alone and isolated?

Congratulations your Honor. I am a loving father of 2 and my world is my children. I raise them and treat other children with compassion and patience that few others ever do. I am a strong believer that children may deserve to be forgiven easier and may also deserve to avoid harsh treatment of some actions. However, not a single bit of my mind, body, or soul thinks that Brown should be treated any different than the evil, disgusting, worthless murderer that he is. To take someone's life is horribly wrong. To murder a child is unbearable. To murder a mother is unbearable. To murder a mother pregnant with a baby is far far worse, and may justice be served. Thank You your honor.

I also agree with charging him as an adult. No one has the right to take a human life. This is so sick. I think that an 11 year old knows full well that it is damn wrong to kill people. Why on earth would ANYBODY give an ~11~ year old a GUN? This is sick, so sick and wrong.

My Dad told me as a young man that Punky parents usually raise punky kids and that punky kids usually grow up to be punky adults. Another way of saying this is an apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The boy should be psychologically evaulated and deprogrammed for years before considering him a low risk to those around him. He is a real danger and will be for a long time if not for his entire life.

I think that the father should also suffer some sort of consequence aswell as the son, because he gave his child this gun and taught him how to use it, which isnt that bad if the child is supervised with the gun everytime he has it. The gun should have been kept under lock and key or put up where the child could not reach it,because there was also another young child in the house when this was happening and the child could have been hurt while this was happening and if something this horrible wasnt happening the young child could have gotten to this gun aswell. im sure his father just learned, guns are dangerous and should not be played around with and accidents can happen and apparantly murder, So get rid of the guns in the house unless you plan on using them properly.

I think the child should be trialed as an adult. the crime was premeditated and the child tried to get rid of the evidence so its clear he knew that what he just did was very wrong. It's true that children dont analyze situations as thuroughly as adults, but like i said before, it was premeditated and he tried to get rid of the evidence, so the child knew exactly what he was doing. The child obviously had no idea of the consequences and had no other thought then the anger he was obviously feeling towards the pregnant woman. The sentence should be jail time because he needs to suffer the consequences of his actions but he should also get a cousellor so they can find out what was going on in his head when he thought shooting this woman was the way to resolve his problem and to prevent this from ever happening again.

It is my opinion that young adults who commit killing crimes is way out of proportion! I think this young adult knew what he was doing and did it on purpose, and perhaps with his fathers go ahead!
The killings that are going on in the United States by gangs of all kinds should be treated as adults, as hate crimes and I think if the courts desided it was finally time to put a stop to it and show that there would be a very HIGH PRICE to PAY, do an old tried but true justice here and now! Put to death several of the very worse haters on television, yes I said it! ON TELIVISION! So that the young out there will SEE that there is now a HIGH PRICE TO PAY, and it just might stop a few or at least slow down these crimes, once and for all!!

he should be charged because he knows better, and the dad should also be charged becaus he gave the kid the gun

Children are not adults. Children do not have the same capacity of evaluating their decisions as adults. Especially when the puberty age is nearing kids are not always going to be able to think in adequate terms. In response to comments by B and etc.. really, yea maybe the mindset of people is still in the gutter in masses of this country - but law is law and children could be tried as adults. That's the core of the problem, not their race...

he should be in a pit with michael jackson

Here is a quote from the DA that has appeared in several media outlets:

"But Bongivengo said he only had to show that a crime had been committed and that Brown could have committed it."

Does this comment bother anyone?? All the DA has to prove is that Jordan COULD have done it. That is not proof...this is saying he COULD not he DID!!! Would you want your child, mother, father, brother, sister, spouse convicted on this basis that they "could" have done something??? Anybody "COULD" have done anything...does that mean you did???

Jordan has NOT been proven guilty nor has there been solid evidence (according to media) that has linked him to the crime. Why does everyone say Jordan did this when it has not been proven????? So what the gun "smelled" like it was "recently" fired???? Him and his dad target paractice so of course it smelled like that. His clothes had gun residue on them...so what!! He could have easily worn dirty clothes to school...afterall he is 11 and I have a pre-teen boy and he does not care if his clothes are clean or not unless I make him wear clean clothes. Most boys & MEN can relate to this when they were this age.

Again I will say that there are so many speculations and assumptions. I want to see solid proof and not could have's, might have's, etc.....

I have also heard a lot of people say that Jordan's father should get in trouble too for the guns being not locked up in the home with Jordan. Correct me if I am wrong but the victim also lived in that home and she too had 2 small girls in that home so she is equally to blame for negligent parenting.

Then the victims daugther said a couple times that nothing happened that morning then they (DA) say she said she heard a noise. My question is why did SHE change her story???? Does Jordan's fate lie with a 7 year old who can't make up HER mind of what happened????

Unfortunately the victim also proved possible negligent the morning of her death by not being up with those kids getting ready for school. One thing is for sure, it was the one who is getting all the blame (Jordan) who made sure the victims daughter got to school on time. How often had that been happening in that home???

Too many people (including the victims family) are jumping the gun here to convict this child and until I see otherwise, he is innocent and I would not want to answer for convicting him otherwise.....not on the "evidence" we have seen through the media. So I guess I am among the group who feels horrible for him and hopes this all gets sorted out before it is too late for him and a terrible mistake is made on his behalf!!!!

In regards to my inserts about kids in adult prisons....I have read in various stories (not this one of course) that kids who have been sentenced as adults stay in the juvenal facility until they are like 14 or 15 or whatever the age is in that state then they are moved. So yes they are still kids in adults prisons and it is still wrong. Sorry for the confusion.

Yes the mandatory laws are crazy as there is no middle ground. This needs changed. I suggest if you want to change this write a letter to everyone involved in the law in your state and other states. We got to get this changed for these kids sake.

In the comment by 'B' at 7:28am on 5/4/09, there are statements regarding adult prison. To that person, I would request that s/he read the plethora of articles out there, as the suspect in this case is (and has been) held in a maximum security juvenile center in Erie. As I recall, he spent one night in an adult prison in segregation, and was transferred because the adult system cannot handle an 11-year-old. --------------------------------------------- What troubles me about this case is the two options... if found guilty, he will spend either 10 years OR life in prison. 10 years if they transfer to juvenile and he's found 'delinquent'; life if he's convicted as an adult. Briefly put, I see more of an issue with mandatory sentences than with trying an 11-year-old for premeditated murder as an adult.

Been following this story since Feb. 09 and whether Jordan Brown did or didn't do this has yet to be determined (according to media there seems to be a lot of speculations and assumptions) but we as a society better be VERY afraid when we have state laws (and DA's) that can lock up children this young forever without the chance of ever getting out again. Children this young need help which they will not get in prison. Society, as well as the victim’s, need to remember that these laws also apply to our own children/grandchildren. Don't say it can't happen to your child or your child would not do this or that because if you asked these parents whose children are locked up for life, I am sure they said the same thing.

The laws to lock up children under 18 years old in adult prisons need to change NOW!!!!! Children need to be held accountable for their actions but not on an adult level because they are not adults!!! They cannot be deemed adults in one aspect of the law (crime) and not be in another (voting, drinking, joining the military, they even need parent permission to go on a school field trip, etc….). Locking children up in adult prisons is not a life sentence it is a death sentence to these children especially when we have far worse adults out on our streets. Sentencing children under 18 years old as adults and in some cases locking them up forever with no chance of parole is saying that these children are worse then the child molesters living in our neighborhoods, it is saying they are worse than the drunk driving who serves a few years for killing someone while driving drunk, it is saying that they are worse than the drug dealers who return back to their corner, it says that they are worse than the adults who have killed and have gotten only a few years WITH parole. Think about it!!!!

He should have been trialed as an adult. This boy made up in his mind that he wanted to take the life of this woman and her unborn child. Now her two daughter's suffer because this boy was hateful. He was angry because this woman was having a baby by his father...and he wanted all his father attention to himself. He needs to stay behind bars. Now when that entire Jena Six was going on everyone was trying to lock them boys up underneath the jail because they beat a white boy half to death. Now I am saying they were right for their actions, because they were wrong. I feel that some people making comments are prejutice to what is really going on. If this boy was black then we would not be having this discussion. He would already be tried as an adult, and placed underneath the jail. But since he is white it's let feel sorry for him...his stepmother was mean to him...no this boy needed his a## spanked because he is a spoiled brat. Who buys a gun for a kid anyway! But the cops are locking blacks up for guns, stating it's gang related. Look at the real issue here! Him and his daddy needs to be behind bars!

I do agree that he be charged as an adult. He knew what he was doing, he knew what would happen when he pulled that trigger. I think the case might be different if he didnt know the consequences and how a gun worked. The step-parent argument of him being depressed and so forth, I dont believe it. These days look how many children have step-parents any more, my kids father and I arent together, millions arent, and how many of them go and kill their stpe-parent over jealousy? Age shouldnt be the issue with this kid, he even went to school right after that happened, my daughter is friends with the little girl who now is motherless. I think more people need to look at the picture of the situation and not his age. What did he expect to happen after he shot her? His little brother was due in a couple weeks, now he also lost his life, thats two lifes lost over what everyone is calling, jealousy. Not fair and right but justice needs to be handed to the boy no matter what his age is.

FINALLY the Jordan supporters come out. This boy needs us!!!!

I am surprised Judge Pirro would comment on this case in such a manner. What about the child Judge? Remember the wicked stepmother stories? Is it possible the child could have been suffering from depression? You think it is fair to remove a child from his home where he was secure with his father, have him get to know a step mom and her two daughters in their environment(her home-her rules) and then appreciate a newborn brother that will bare his fathers' name, Chris, all in a matter of a few months. Obviously the child had deep fears and obviously the relationship with the step mom was not good. She may not have been a good step mom to him. She may have made him think he was going to be nothing when the baby came. She may have even provoked him. How quick to judge a child. Evil is educated people speaking out before the facts are in. Evil is adults trying children 11 years old as adults. The world must be coming to an end. So sad.

We need to write to the ACLU in PA as it is completely sinful to allow this case to be tried in Adult Court. Just considering this boys life and how quickly he had to adjust to all these changes is a clear indication that this boy needs help. But here is the PA District Attorney showboating the poor kid like he is an adult. They even handcuff him and shackled him in court recently. I am physically sick over this and I really cannot believe that they are putting this child through this emotional horror. I really believe the child is too young to understand what would happen once he pulled the trigger and I believe he just reacted to his thoughts without plan. He just wanted his life back with his dad. He did not want to be forgotten and left again. I feel really sad over this. It is painful and hurts my heart. Everyone needs to help this child and protect him from being tried as an adult.

Some of your comments are horrific. Especially the one that states that they boy did not get the love he needed so we need to remove him from the public forever. You need help. If you had a perfect life, good for you. If your son is sweet and perfect like you and you plan to hold your son hostage in a box all his life. Good for you. You need to be removed from the public with your sick mind that believes in removing people from society forever because they have to learn from their mistakes the hard way. Hitler! Sicko!

And Donna, I also had a foster child tried to drown my son. The issue was dealt with without removing the child from my home. So the moral is...is there are people who are trained to deal with even the most horrible situations.

Children need guidance of which a lot are not getting because of their parents own selfish desires and until EVERYONE wakes up and takes responsibility for the children....this is not going to get any better. It seems like everyone is for the child UNTIL they do something wrong then we want to get them out of the way so they do not influence our own child. I got news for you...your children ARE being influenced everyday by going to school, having certain friends that you may not be aware of, watching tv shows/movies that you also may not be aware of, billboards they see on the road, etc....

Do YOUR part and don't throw it off on someone else and also for the anti-Jordan's...you only speak against him until YOUR child gets accused of something. Then it is so amazing at how our thinking changes and how we want to rules changed!!!!

With a person this young, there are just so many factors to consider and things are not as cut and dry as some of you make it out to be. As a christian I will continue to pray for Jordan as well as everyone else involved that in the end the will of God will be done no matter what that may be and no matter if I agree or disagree. God works for the good and regardless of how the anti-Jordan group feels, some good will come from this tradegy somehwere down the road. We just do not know when, where or how (yet).

I was a fosterparent for 14 years and yes I did have one child in my home that did attempt to kill her mother. This is why she was removed from her home. This is also just one of the situations foster parents get trained to deal with. With all the problems that foster children come with, I would hate for the anti-Jordan group to ever have one of them in thier home. I would also hate to see what you would think about the parents who really do know right from wrong.

Whether or not this boy did or did not do this and whether or not he is or is not guilty, children are born sinless and blameless and it is through the adults in their lives, society, the schools, etc....that are damaging the children.

Families are splitting up all over the place, moms and dads are shacking up with whoever, parents use drugs, drink and a lot children have access to this as well as various types of weapons, parents are too busy being their child's friend instead of their parent, parents are consumed with working all the time either to make a living or to get more junk they can actually live without, the schools give up on kids (I worked in one so I know this for a fact...check out your kids schools and you might be surprised at what you find), parents have no clue where their children are (this is why we buy them cell phones so we can just call and check-up on them), parents have no clue who their friends are, parents believe their child NEVER does anything wrong, and I could go on.

We can blame the child all we want and say he or she knew right from wrong and so forth, but people need to wake up and realize the children who are committing the crimes we read about in the paper almost daily are the children WE the adults are creating!!!

I work with children. I have children. Children at the age of 11 know the difference between right and wrong. This child knew that killing this woman was wrong. This child gave advance warning that he intended to kill this woman. This child has left two other children motherless and killed another child. Finally, all of you who believe this child is redeemable, are you willing to have him come live with your families?

The paper said the dad was at work not outside. Also, I have had 4 children and I was pretty sick with all of them and tired as well but I never did lay in bed while the others were up. IF the boy is guilty which has yet to be proven he is still a child and a victim of a broken family and unfortunatly she was part of that as his father and his mother were as well.

Obviously the ones who are begging for this child to be thrown into the adult prison world either have no children, do not care about children or are just completely heartless. We have laws but laws are not always correct in the way they are carried out.

Oh for the ones who do have children and who still want to throw this child away without a chance to better himself or rehabilitate, heaven forbid your children to ever make a mistake and when they do (and they will)...make sure you are willing to give your child the full extent of the punishment due them. Don't be crying and don't be whining because your kids WILL make mistakes and some of those mistakes will break your heart but according to you the law is the law and I am sure your pre-teen is just as smart as any adult like you are saying about this child. This could have been anybody's child...how would you feel if he was yours?

One mistake has already been made...I am hoping the second mistake isn't to come in locking this boy up forever.

I think that the father should be accountable for her death because for one the boy was to young to have a shotgun at his age,second the gun should have been locked up with only an adult with access to the key.But still it was premeditated murder because he has been planning it for a long time.I think he should be charge as an adult,because he took the time to go back up stairs to get the gun and luckly he did not harm the other kids.

You are wrong and its that simple. This 11yr. old child was just in diapers not all that long ago. In what world do you live in where it is fair and just to equate his emotional, psychological, and physiological makeup to that of an ADULT. He needs serious and prolonged psychological counseling yes, but to be tried as an adult and have equal punishment to an adult is completely wrong!

I agree the boy should be tried as an adult. I live in the area so it is big news here so I would like to address someones comment as to why the mother was still in bed and the father was not there and impling neglect, the father was outside. He was home. It was early morning and she was due in just a couple of weeks. We dont know what kind of night she had. We shouldnt judge. She did nothing wrong but sleep. The boy even said bye to his father as he left for school as my understanding anyway. The children were all taken care of. There was not one complaint of that. I will not loose sleep over a boy that feels "left out" possibly. There are many ways to address anger and other feelings.

I think it's only fair to process this 11 year old as an adult. He knew exactly what would happen if he shot the women, he had beat out grown adults in a turkey shooting competition only 2 weeks before! He knew that by shooting the women it would cause her death and the death of her unborn child. He commited a crime that had he been what people consider an "adult" most people would be cheering for the death penalty. Just because he is 11 years old does not mean that he did not know the difference between right and wrong. For weeks before the shooting he had even said he wanted to kill his new mother and her two children! This was all premeditated, he planned this and went through with it so he should be punished accordingly. Age shouldnt matter, the crime is what really matters in the end!

I have been so ill over this story and yes IF he did this he should be punished but prison is not the answer especially for life. Not one comment has commented on the fact that this child's life was destroyed by the destruction of his family. Mom and dad were not together, then him and dad were together then here comes new girlfriend and her kids then a new baby is coming. I have seen adults who struggle with the family being ripped apart and children at 11 years old cannot handle this so in this case he possibly acted out if proven. At 11 he might have wanted to get rid of the problem (the problem he saw) and unfortunately it was not in a postive way (if proven). As a former fosterparent for over 12 years, parents just do not understand how their actions are affecting their children and what their actings are causing their children to do.

Then one question I have had since the beginning is why was the girlfriend in bed with all the kids up? Pregnant or not why was she not up getting these kids ready for school? They said the dad was gone and she was in bed. As a mother of several kids I have to ask why. Was her 4 year old suppose to wonder in the house alone after the boy and her other daughter went to school if this had not happened?? How many mornings did this happen? Don't we call this neglect?? Sometimes the victims are not totally innocent either but we want to look the other way especially in this case because the victim was killed.

Anyway, it is a tradegy for all but prison is not the answer. Does anyone have any feelings for this boy at all? He is just a victim of soceity and she was a victim of the society she helped created for him. If convicted as a child or adult...they all created a situation that came full circle in a very bad way.

RIGHT vs. WRONG

Guns dont kill people...
People kill people...
Jordan looks like he's crying in his photo,,,IM GLAD he is ! tooo late little man;you thought you had it bad at home;just wait to you get to your "New" one.

I think this is a horrific tragedy. But my question is to the father... Why would you buy a 11 year old a shot gun that he has access to at anytime? Also if this 11 year old is making death threats over and over why would you STILL leave this gun within his possession? I feel the father is just as guilty of murder to his fiance and unborn son! Why is the father not being held accountable for this? If he would not have bought his 11 year old son a gun and given it to him as a Christmas present (irrisponsible) and leaving it for use at his son's leasure then none of this would have happened. Also when you buy a gun doesn't it have to be registered with a waiting period. Now I would hope that a gun permit was not issued to a 11 year old child and if it was then we need to take a look at the regulations of getting a gun permit and have those laws changed IMMEDIATELY! But I am sure in this case the father registered it in his own name which he is responsible for the gun. And I know in California you have to purchase a locking device once your waiting period clearance is approved and you leave with the gun you purchased. Why did'nt the father make sure there was a lock on it or make sure it was out of his son's reach unless supervised by his father. I truly feel the father should be held accountable for his own actions leading up to his own son's actions. As for the 11 year year old boy.. He should be tried as a adult! It is very sad that he felt he had to resort to this violent crime at such a young age and take other lives into his own hands. And now there are two innocent little girls that can hold or see there mother again and do we know if they seen while there mother laid they dead? A image that will never leave them. And in 7 years that monster that did that to their mother could be roaming the streets again enjoying freedom and could possibly do it again to another human being while they have lived a empty life without there mothers touch. This kid knew exactly what he was doing! And he was able to follow through with his motive because his own father gave him the tools to succeed! The father should be tried for double murder also!!

Channel,

Jordan Brown just looks like he's crying in his mug shot. I don't think you can detect evil from one picture....

Respectfully,
Cathy

Children are the apple of my eye. I have two beautiful children myself. With that said it pains me to have to say, that when I look into this poor boy's eyes, I don't see innocence. This boy has something that other, mentally sound children do not have and that's the look of evil. Maybe it's harsh to say it in that manner, but when I look into his eyes it reminds me of Jeffrey Dahmer, the Boston Strangler, and other known serial killers. They all started out young as well. Maybe it's better of that he is tryed as an adult and also receive some counseling.

Hi Marie.

If an 11 year old in custody for double homicide AND being tried as an adult does not cause terror in the kid's heart, I don't know what could. I refer to being 'thrown away' as having a mandatory life sentence.
An 11 year old knows the difference between rright and wrong, I agree. However, he cannot fully undeerstand the total consequences of his actions. I agree that it is a horrific crime, but I don't agree that he should be tried as an adult. Is there something possibly that can be redeemed in this kid? Maybe so, Maybe not. But let's allow the JUVERNILE system to do it's work so there can be a more educated decision about his future. Lets not throw him away just yet.

RE: By Cathy on March 25, 2009 8:26 AM

"Please lets get beyond the horror of the crime and lets get horrified about an 11 year old terrified and thrown away."

Hi Cathy.
What gives you the impression and makes you believe this boy was terrified and THROWN AWAY???
At age eleven a child (unless deemed mentally handicapped) knows the difference between right and wrong. Knows that shooting someone may result in their death! He learned this from shooting the turkeys and watching them die!!
I am absolutely convinced that this boy was jealous. Extremely jealous! This boy decided months before the killing he did NOT like his soon to be stepmother, he did NOT like the fact she was going to have a baby with his father, and he did not like the fact that he now has to "share" his father with anyone else. He calculated this murder! We know this because he often told them that he was going to kill the soon to be stepmother.He even said he wanted to kill his step-sisters! I see clear JEALOUSY!!
Don't forget there are two little girls that will grow up without their mother's hugs and kisses because of his insane jealousy!
Because of his age, it's a little difficult to know now, is this boy is harboring sometime of psychosis or narsissism. Perhaps time will tell. If he gets released as an adult, will you or anyone else for that matter ever know, that he will NOT kill again, next time he feels someone is "invading" his territory?
Try him as an adult, sentence to life in prison and prevent another family from going through this heartache.

1) Children do not think through things in the same manner as an adult.

2) The person who gave this child a gun should be held to account

This may be true,,BUT Children Know RIGHT From WRONG.I think little Jordan knew what he was doing when he shot her in the back of the head

Two comments from me:
1) Children do not think through things in the same manner as an adult.

2) The person who gave this child a gun should be held to account.

Wait a MINUTE! This kid was the only child in his father's life up until last summer. Within 9-10 months, Dad Chris meets Ms. Houk, she gets pregnant, Chris and Jordan move in with Miss Houk & children, Chris & Ms. Houk get engaged. Then Jordan is to be REPLACED by a new baby boy! Consider - Ms. Houk was already 8 months pregnant in February. this is a quick change for an adult. Does anyone think this should be easy for an 11 year old? AND who knows how Ms. Houk treated Jordan? I absolutely condemn the act of murder.....but it does seem like it wouldn't have been a possiblity if SOMEONE would have thought about this boy before throwing him in front of a bus emotionally. My grown sons have guns; but they are not accessible to their children. This boy needs to be tried as a juvenile. Please lets get beyond the horror of the crime and lets get horrified about an 11 year old terrified and thrown away.

It is no doubt that to send this child to a lifesentece will do no good for either himself or for us outside. It does not help him to understand his act.
We treat them in so fall as children ourselves: Revenge is not helping anybody.
We need a system who take care of young people and not giving them the opportunity to hate the society even more.
Ida in Norway

I just want to say Judge Jeanine Pirro is the BEST AND MOST KIND, AND COMPASSIONATE JUDGE EVER. I have always admired her, I have seen her on many shows, and was very glad when she was given her own show. MAY GOD BLESS HER AND MAY SHE ALWAYS KEEP HELPING WOMEN. THANKYOU JUDGE PIRRO, WOMEN NEED YOU.

i think this case needs a good investigater on it i dont live to far from lawrence county i just wish there was a way that everyone could here what the farther of her first child is saying about her sure she treated the kid nice when the farther was home but when he left for work and when this kid came home from school no one knows how she treated him he just didnt get mad and shoot her weeks and months before this happened i strongly believe that she tourmented this child. if he would have taken his own life do you think that his stepmothers picture would be on this page instead of his now ask your self judge pirro im quite sure you could convince a jury to convict him but before you convict him i just want you to know when dad was gone she treated his son like a stepchild she was looking for a way to force him out of the house

we need too get jorden some help he should be charging in the junvenile until he turn 21 and then maby some counseling

I dare to believe that an 11-year-old's life is redeemable.

To me, sending this child to prison for life without parole is unjust.

This is a very sad case - this child did not "all of a sudden" become angry - this was coming on for years and may have surfaced in many different ways. Unfortunatley, all was ignored and he became a ticking time bomb. He now is guilty of premeditated murder and as such should be tried as an adult. His life is over because no one cared or intervened. Interview his teachers and others in his life and I'm sure the signs are all there. His father also needs to face his responsibility in all this!! Let this teach us for future encounters with all the Jordan's who need help and not ignore the signs!!!!

I know this child comitted a awful act. But before we hang him high, we should find out why. It sounds lke he was ate up with hate and resentment. We need to know his side before we throw away a young life. I read where children have a hard time with the concept of right and wrong, because their brains are not fully developed. When someone this young does an awful act, unless they are mentallty disabled, some bad has happened, I agree he must be shown through punishnent what he did, but he really needs help, to overcome what drove him to this

I am horrified by this crime, but hold adults responsible. We don't know so much. How was this child treated by the father and stepmother? Was he treated badly, or forgotten by his father? Did they do whatever they could to help him see that he wasn't being replaced? Children - and this is a child - have many issues in step families and need special love to cope. A lot a fear has been expressed with regard to the future this child would have if he is ever freed. There would be a lot more of these types of murders if more children had access to guns. He is not particularly special, he was just in possession of a lethal weapon while being a child. Life in prison is not the answer. Gun control is. Dad should be held responsible because he knew how his son felt. The gun culture is so crazed that they don't deal with reality at all.

This child was dangerous to his own family. Serious counseling and future parole could change him and help him. Not throwing him away. He must have already felt that he was thrown away.

Why on earth would anyone in their right mind give an eleven year old a shotgun, especially unsupervised. Why not play baseball or some other fun hobby? The father should be held responsible also. I agree with Judge Pirro that he should be tried as an adult. I'm sure glad I have good kids!

In most states, first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing that is both willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim.I hope he spends every breath of his life behind bars!

When you stop and think about it, it really is best that he be sentenced as an adult, especially if they award him life without parole. Even if he were to be sentenced as a juvenile, he would be locked up throughout his adolescent and teen years, and as any psychologist will tell you, those are the most important years of your life. By the time he'd get out, he would be mentally and socially maladjusted for the rest of his life, and repeat offenses are pretty much guaranteed for people like that. That's why life without parole would be better.

What sickens me the most is that he knew damn well he was killing TWO people with one shot, one of those two being an unborn baby. Plus the fact that he had the gall to accompany the dead woman's daughter to school afterward, as if nothing ever happened. How could he even look her in the eye after taking her mother from her? That's almost more evil than the murder itself, IMO.

I think that this "child" deserves to be charged as an adult and spend the rest of his natural life behind bars, however I also think that father that decided an 11 year old was mature enough to own and have full access to such a lethal weapon should also be held accountable and maybe he should finish raising his "child" behind bars!!

I understand that he took two lives but if he was making these threats for months why would the father give him a gun to carry it out? Why did he shoot her? Could he have been told to do so? If so who is realy the murderer the person telling and giving the weapon or the child who was listening to the father? Even if the father did not tell him to do it he still gave him the weapon to do the damage even after he made the threats. Child should get help ! Father should get time !

i do believe he should face the death penalty. because, in reality this would be considered two counts of 1 degree murder. when you do a crime, then when the time comes you have to pay the piper. also the father shouldn't have given a 11 year old boy a gun of any kind until he was at least 16 and took courses depending on state laws. i also believe that the father should be held accountable as well

I have an 11 year old son and he is so sweet I just cannot imagine what happens in the life of a child to brew such anger... He did not get the love ,understanding, protection and care that he deserved as a child growing up and now WE have to love, understand, protect and care for the communities that he may live in after his release from incarceration. It hurts me to say it but I believe he needs to be removed from the public forever. We as a country need protection from him now.

I think the boy should be charge whether
as a youth or an adult.He did the crime
and murder a mother and baby due this month.
I also think the boy's father be accountable
for not locking up the rifle.

Hmmmmm, do we need to rethink little children owning and having free reign with lethal weapons?

You forgot "HOGWASH" in this story.

I agree with charging him as an adult..better to prevent him from killing again...I think murder should always be handled in the adult courts. Grown up crime = grown up time.